Curio & Relics and Black Powder Firearms, Old School shooting fun! Such markings can be sanded off by someone wishing to remove such evidence so any sanded areas make the stock suspect. If a Saginaw S'G' strip it down to see if it has any IP Irwin Peterson parts, could be a transitional carbine. Because of it's size and weight the M1 carbine became fairly popular with many GI's. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. The stock seems to be varnished. Bore Condition:The muzzle and grooves are light gray. It has a high wood stock and the serial number is in the 3.3 mils. During WWII most, but not all, stocks & handguards had manufacturer markings. Rangemasters are here to answer all your questions about our products or process. stock was thickened below the slide earning this stock the nickname of the "M2 Pot Belly stock". The right side of the receiver shows some thinning from cycling. Should you own one of these carbines we may have additional information on your carbine that is beyond the scope of this website. Excellent overall condition. Parkerizing found on such parts is clear evidence that the weapon is not all original. found to indicate this was done by the original manufacturer(s). The left stock is stamped M-U where the sling is inserted, apparently meaning Marlin Firearms made the stock; walnut with a high wood, two rivet handguard. This M1 Carbine will stand out in any collection. Most websites are poorly Saginaw Steering Gear in nearby Saginaw, MI was already engaged in the preparation for 30 M1. and the top rear is marked SAGINAW SG / 3289121. Is any of this "original" or a product of a couple rebuilds? Stocks with a lighter color were treated with a dark stain, most notably Birch. PRICE LOWERED BY $500 WAS 5999.99, WARNING! Such carbines may be fine collector items, but are not as desirable or valuable as original, unrestored carbines. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. The bore shows an M.E. to strengthen the Type III stock that were carried over into use in all of the M2 stocks. Marked INLAND MFG. part of our network, we sell THEIR guns first whenever possible. Skip to the beginning of the images gallery, 73 Plank Ave Paoli, The magazine release is marked IP-W which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 100-101). Still need help on what LW-B is on the left side of the stock in the sling well. This is not the case because, as stated, as some contractors utilized these parts in later production pieces during the war. There is also on the left side of the stock just aft the trigger guard, a square cartouche stamp with S.A. inside the square and a C stamped inside the square below the S.A. I can't find out who made it. Most of the markings are deep. GENERAL MOTORS" It has been fitted with the adjustable sight, type 3 barrel band, and rotary safety sometime in An Ordnance supplement The inside of the operating slide is marked SG which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 65). To separate the production of each plant the prime symbol () was marked after the SG on the receivers of the Grand Rapids carbines. Therefore, if any other carbine has this type of barrel band, it is not all original. Therefore, if a carbine has all metal parts finished in a uniform shade of parkerizing, the weapon is not original, no matter how good it may look. fire carbines like the M2's. You certain the receiver is S'G'? We'rebringing a level of The markings on the When a later T4 barrel band is removed in order to install the proper WWII vintage narrow band, there are often rub marks on the barrel from the wider band. XA27, XA62, XD14). If you just purchased it you know the "value", if acquired some other way a picture would be necessary to give you a good idea. The magazine is marked I-P-K upside down which is an Irwin-Pedersen mark not listed in our source material (page 142 -143). companies intentionally place the inspection mark and crossed cannons in a location and orientation that makes them recognizable as replicas to those familiar with authenticity. The elimination of the bridge strengthening the stock forward of the trigger housing weakened this area making it prone to cracks. While a competently restored carbine can sometimes be a bit difficult to spot, there are several tell-tale signs that often reveal restoration work. A few unconverted type III stocks absent the bridge have Oval sling cut, Low Wood exposes slide. General Motors Steering Gear Division. We believe we sell living history, and honor the veterans who fought and died for our freedoms. Also, have bandoliers & stripper clips & sling. The bolt is marked IP on the right lug which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 36). 3 3/16" (approx.) Shopping at Guns.com gives you the backing The stock is excellent with a few minor dings and scratches here and there, most noticeable on the bottom edge of the butt stock. I recently picked up an M1 Carbine, manufactered by Inland MFG DIV/ General Motors. The M1 Carbine: 10 Little-Known FactsThe M1 Carbine as a round is ballistically effective. Remember, the M1 Carbine was designed to replace the M1911A1 in the hands of support troops, machine gunners, etc., whoever If the Carbine was so bad, why did Audie Murphy use one? Americans most-decorated soldier of World War II, Lt. It was the chosen weapon of our enemy. More items Both were Divisions of General Motors but were located in different cities. Serial number blocks were assigned by the Ordnance Department on an as needed basis, generally in response to the awarding of a contract to a given manufacturer. My guess is that since the receiver has the SG on the left front, it's probably a Saginaw-Saginaw and not a Saginaw-Grand Rapids (IP). We get the FFL from your store others make you find it, copy it, and fax it. U.S. Do you have anything on safeties? Make:Saginaw SG. The sling well is marked RSG which was used bySaginaw SG, Irwin-Pedersen, and Saginaw Gear(page 108 109). Generally speaking, there is nothing wrong with a competently restored carbine, Probably the quickest way to determine if a carbine remains in its as issued World War II configuration is to examine a few key parts. / 44. were parkerized, the tint and texture of these parts varied. during the time the carbines were manufactured. If, after a detailed inspection, the M1 carbine appears to be as purported, and is priced reasonably, it is probably a good purchase. It's an S'G' not an S.G. I'll give you $150.00 for it so you can double your return , That's a beauty! Carbines that have one of these serial numbers may be an Engineering prototype, a "presentation" carbine, or both. Saginaw Steering Gear Division of General Motors Grand Rapids. The M2 stocks were often used as replacement stocks for the M1's. As time goes on more and more carbines are having parts replaced. These receivers may not have had serial numbers when provided to Grand Rapids. This rifle is a must have for any WW2 or vintage collector. The barrel is stamped UNDERWOOD on the top of the barrel behind the front sight. Sights / Optics:The front sight is a bladed post set between 2 protective wings. The U.S. Carbine Caliber .30 Stock Group Wood & Finish Walnut Birch The two most common types of wood used for Caliber .30 Carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. This M1 Carbine is 1 part short of being considered all matching. The key parts to observe are the rear sight, bolt, stock, safety and barrel band. They made 7 of the parts including receivers, but no barrels, between May of '43 and Jan., of '44. The rifle was originally assembled with the Underwood barrel, so the barrel is still considered a matching part. two Ordnance rebuild P's. NOTE: We have added in the descriptions of parts we have of different markings we have come across over the years. No matter what you hunt, or what type of gun you prefer to hunt with, Guns.com offers options for everyone. We offer a 7 day inspection period and hassle free returns to ensure every customer is happy with whatever they buy from us. Caliber: .30 Carbine. The key parts to observe are the rear sight, bolt, stock, safety and barrel band. There is virtually no color distinction between Irwin-Pedersen Numbers Reassigned to Saginaw at Grand Rapids. A brand new condition stock on a carbine with well-used metal components is a sure indication that something is amiss. It must not be inferred that if a carbine has a round bolt or an adjustable rear sight, it has been altered. Doing so may alter Late during the production of their type III M1 stocks, Winchester and Inland increased the length After WWII it was not uncommon for M1 Carbines to be converted to select I have never really studied the parts or did much research. What are you basing your question on? In 1942 the Ordinance District requested of General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Division take over the M1 carbine production assigned to Irwin-Pedersen in Grand Rapids. There are four basic types of markings which may or may not be found on the U.S. Carbine stocks. That's peDersen with a "D", by the way. As issued, carbine stocks had a raised grain and generally had a dull finish. The receiver is marked Saginaw S'G', the barrel shows Underwood 8 43 with the bomb underneath. The varnish is a little thin around the sling cutout. Here is one for you. Action Type: Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for anonymous statistical purposes. Factors like durability, reliability, and functionality are all important things to consider when choosing your next hunting go-to. Through our YouTube channel, we strive to educate and share the stories behind the artifacts we sell. A. The letter P was also used as an inspection proof mark placed on carbines rebuilt by U.S. Army Ordnance. .30 M1. and the top rear is marked IRWIN-PEDERSON / 1767065. They should not be altered or fired. There is a light import mark on the right side of the barrel. What does a 10,000 dollar insulator look like? The band will have 3 spot welds. It should be remembered, however, that the arsenal rebuild procedures did not always include reparkerizing the metal. The practice of restoring the overhauled carbines by replacing later and/or non-original parts is a widespread practice among many collectors today. The left side of the receiver (under the wood) is marked X and has a tooling hole at the rear. It also has a S'G' stock and hand guard with an IP butt plate. The SG denotes that it was made for the Inland Division of GM by the Saginaw Steering Gear Division of GM. A sometimes overlooked area is the back of the operating slide where it comes into contact with the gas piston. Saginaw (S.G.)-Main Manufacture and identification codes: "S.G."-Main plant location: Saginaw, Michigan.-Average Cost to Government per completed rifle, $38.00 The muzzle gauges 2.5. Early Swivels: Unmarked Late Swivels: Marked "UI" "U" -Winchester: Didn't Ser. The hammer is marked SG which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 89). With World War 2 M1 sling. Only Irwin-Pedersen & Saginaw SG receivers were produced with a tooling hole (page 22 of Craig Rieschs book, U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production 7th Edition). 3?7XXXX ? It looks good and has a strong bright bore. This change was not implemented in conjunction with the longer barrel channel Bogus trolling question. To get better and faster responses and opinions. It appears to read S. Most of these marks are light or small. Normally, sanded and refinished wood is quite easy to spot. 4 1/16" (approx.) Markings per component: -Barrel Bands -Type 1 (Early Narrow Band) -Inland: Marked "UI" "U" Or unmarked. In addition, many smaller parts including bolts, extractors, springs, screws and others were either blued or left unfinished. Lock, Stock & Barrel Investments Thank you. They didn't come any other way--period. organized, dont tell you a lot about what youre buying, and leave you on your The carbines used for this purpose were not from inventory submitted to or accepted by the government. The right side of the receiver and the bolt light thinning from cycling. except stock which is Inland 1943. No documentation from Ordnance, or any of the prime contractors, has been found that indicates the date and serial number of carbines as they were assembled or when they passed I do know it is a really nice M1 and I would not part with it. Location: The People's Glorious Republik of Southern Kalifornistan. While most major component parts such as receivers, barrels (with a few exceptions), trigger housings, etc. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements. Most WWII carbines had hand guards with two rivets rather than the four rivet hand guards found on later production carbines and many rebuilds. The barrel is marked "SAGINAW S.G. DIV. Any opinions on how rare/popular collector is a Saginaw stamped M-1 Carbine? Parts wear out, carbines are disassembled for the sale of the parts individually. They are a specialty that Underwood supplied barrels for Saginaw SG (page 50). Saginaw SG took over the Irwin-Pedersen facility in April of 1943 and produced M1 Carbines using Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG parts. and is not a very late production Inland or Winchester, one may rest assured that the piece is a post-war rebuild or has been assembled from parts. Sent the OP some pictures of an all S'G' I had listed here last year, didn't get a single request for pictures from members, and asked two questions but had no reply. I have one, 1776xxx. C+B I.I.P. What caught my eyes right at the start when I purchased the little rifle was the unusual rear sight. When CMP had a bunch of M1 Carbine for sale that were from Spain or Italy I bought one and it is a Saginaw. There were 3 basic handguard styles for the carbines M1 & M2, with minor variations by manufacturers that often changed over time. Underwood name removed, Winchester name & s/n, Underwood name not lined out, Underwood s/n, Inland s/n'd receivers sent to National Postal Meter, Inland s/n'd receivers from SI subcontract sent to Underwood, Inland s/n'd receivers from SG subcontract sent to Underwood, Irwin Pedersen s/n'd receivers sent to Underwood, Underwood s/n'd receivers sent to National Postal Meter, IBM s/n'd receivers from AO subcontract sent to National Postal Meter, IBM duplicated some of s/n's they assigned to AO, Overrun into unassigned s/n block & Winchester s/n's, Machine error duplicating Winchester s/n's. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements. Also, any indention in the wood at the tip of the stock covered by the barrel band should be examined. Alcohol, Tobbaco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency. There are 2 separate Saginaw Gear manufacturers. Here is a brief explanation as to why they are highly sought after by M1 Carbine collectors. barrel includes a date, it may provide a general idea of when the barrel was attached to the receiver. Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition as refinished. Post WWII, the Office of the Chief of Ordnance (OCO) assigned replacement numbers to armories, arsenals, and depots Carbines having any other letter(s) on the receiver are beyond the scope of the information on this particular page. Get a heads up on all of our Sales, Promotions, and news updates (about 1 email per month). numbers (i.e. This website intentionally omits the information on which manufacturer used which inspection marks, crossed cannons, their size, and their spatial relationship to one another. Most of our products are unique. However, the majority of carbines made in WWII had the non-adjustable L type rear sights. It has a barrel stamp of 10-43, but also has the stamp of Blue Sky/ Arlington, VA. Everything appears to be original and shows very little wear. More pics on my later response. due to a lack of original documentation. A little history of Saginaw (S'G') and its carbines. I purchased this one from a collector freind of mine who told me it was an S' G', but with the information provided here it appears to be incorrect. That serial number was issued to Standard Products. Are you sure it is a Saginaw? Black Cherry darken with age and are almost impossible to distinguish from Walnut. My IP is in the first serial block--1776xxx. We buy and sell collectible firearms and militaria ranging from the Civil War to Desert Storm, specializing in WW1 & WW2. IMMEDIATELY its how business should be done. Serial Simi Valley, CA 93065. Get Guns.com offers and news!! How much is a CMP Garand worth? A M1 GARAND rifle is currently worth an average price of $2,024.47 new and $1,615.82 used . How much is an M1 Garand in 2020? M1C Garand Sniper Model Used early in production. Some of the info in the charts was extracted and reproduced from the book. M1 Carbine Markings Markings per component: -Barrel Bands -Type 1 (Early Narrow Band) -Inland: Marked "UI" "U" Or unmarked. Below is a breakdown of the parts: Barrel: Inland. 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B The sling well is marked IR-IP which was used byIrwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG(page 108 109). With World War 2 M1 sling. Color can sometimes have a grey, purple, or reddish cast. The stock rates in about Fine overall condition. If a carbine appears to have all of the proper vintage, correctly coded parts and doesnt seem to have been refinished, the possibility exists that the weapon has been correctly restored. Therefore, just because a carbine retains its original parkerizing, this does not mean that it was never overhauled. After the Irwin-Pedersen was canceled. for use with a select fire mechanism. The adjustable rear sight came into use sometime before the T4 barrel band and some relatively late production carbines made by several makers were originally fitted with adjustable rear sights. We did not fire this rifle. American Black Walnut was the most common wood used. These stamps were commercially manufactured for use on the 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B The receiver is marked Saginaw S'G', the barrel shows Underwood 8 43 with the bomb underneath. If these are stamped with bogus, but seemingly proper markings, such stocks could appear to be highly desirable mint original stocks. or may have other markings. Contracts had a completion date but there was no requirement for completing one contract before starting another. Birch. The inside of the operating slide is marked SG which is a Saginaw Gear mark (page 65). Here is my $50 Saginaw S'G' - IP Carbine. Keep in mind, U.S. The rifling is sharp. There are 2 Saginaw Gear manufacturers of M1 Carbines. Saginaw Gear made receivers with wide locking tangs. The ebb and flow of mass production created parts surpluses and shortages for all the prime contractors, barrels included. During WWII the only stocks made with Birch were made by Sprague & Carleton Co. of Keene, NH for IBM (SC-B). JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. There is fouling and intermittent light erosion in the grooves. Some enterprising fakers have welded up very deep staking punch marks, ground off the excess and refinished the receiver. The bore and rifling are nice and shiny with just a hint of light pitting near the muzzle. The LOP measures 13 inches from the front of the trigger to the back of the buttplate. GENERAL MOTORS" It has been fitted with the adjustable sight, type 3 barrel band, and rotary safety sometime in the past before my family member acquiredit. Saginaw SG guns were produced from the remnants of the failed Irwin-Pedersen factory in Grand CARBINE / CAL. The bore is mint. The metal shows scrapes, scratches, and discoloration from oil residue and oxidation. Markings:There is no visible import mark. A few of the manufacturers used subcontractors to manufacture their receivers. annual growth rings, giving Birch a somewhat dull, uniform appearance. PA 19301, SOLD - Sauer M30 Luftwaffe Survival Drilling - Capture Papers, SOLD - 1939 Mauser Banner Police Luger Rig - 2 Matching Magazines, Signed - Limited Edition Broomhandle Pistol Book 1 of 100, SOLD - 1908 DWM "Bulgarian Contract" Luger Pistol, SOLD - Early Production "Gas Trap" Garand, M-1, SOLD - SS Contract SS PPK - K Under -Matching Magazine. After WWII many stocks & handguards did not have a manufacturers mark. There is no bayonet lug. The only firms that made their own barrels were Inland, Winchester, Underwood, Rock Ola and IBM. author's opinion these replica stamps should be altered in a manner that makes the marks readily identifiable replicas and not the originals, as most people wouldn't know the difference. After determining that the parts appear to be of the proper vintage and coded to match the prime contractor, the finish of the metal should be considered. The stocks were also stamped with code markings which are normally found inside of the sling recess on the left side. Saginaw or Saginaw'. Markings:There is no visible import mark. The Discussion Forum also serves as a reference desk for the more advanced material that could easily overwhelm a website and is often subject to opinions that may vary Read about the Saginaw (S.G.) carbines here: Serial number blocks assigned by the government. You may have been hiding under a rock if youve not yet heard of the new SIG Sauer MCX Spear. Serial numbered receivers that failed to pass inspection were set aside as rejects if the defect(s) could not be brought up to minimum standards. 30 M1.; the top rear is marked SAGINAW S G / 3426991. I bought it a few years ago from another Calguns member. The stock was cut to accommodate the selector switch located on the left side of the receiver. marked: AI,SI, JI,or KI(INLAND) M1 Carbine Barrel Band Type 3 (bayonet lug) Used G.I. Saginaw Steering Gear Division of General Motors Grand Rapids. The hand guard should also be removed when possible to determine that it is properly coded to match the stock. Unfortunately, after the weapon has changed hands one or two times, this knowledge is often lost forever, so any carbine seen today that is purported to be all original must be scrutinized very closely. This is not an accurate means of estimating the date the carbine was finally assembled or when it passed its final inspection. The stock shows several scrapes & scratches. 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